Your forum WYSIWYG editor is still horrible. Easily the worst web-based WYSIWYG editor I've ever had the misfortune to be subjected to.
The UI design is terrible, for one; it looks like the bastardized love-child of Windows 3.1 and an early 2000s cell phone UI. I could overlook that if it actually worked, but it doesn't.
Copying and pasting with Ctrl+C (or Ctrl+X) and Ctrl+V don't work in Firefox; I have no idea why you would think it's a good idea to intercept system-wide hotkeys in the first place, but whatever your copy/paste event handlers are supposed to be doing (I didn't bother looking), they're not doing it correctly. Ctrl+X removes the selected text, but doesn't copy it into the clipboard. Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V do nothing at all.
Basic typing and formatting are also unreliable. Pressing the "Enter" key on my keyboard sometimes inserts two linebreaks instead of one. Selecting text and clicking the "bold" button, for example, might bold the selected text... or it might just move the cursor to the end of the entered text and not bold anything.
When pasting text (by right-clicking and then clicking Paste in the context menu, since Ctrl+V doesn't work) from unformatted sources (eg. Notepad), actual linebreaks in the text are doubled (probably CRLF is being incorrectly treated as two linebreaks) and sometimes additional linebreaks are inserted in the middle of lines for no reason (there's definitely not any break-related character in the text there). When pasting text from formatted sources (eg. select all the entered text, copy from the context menu, then paste it back into the same place) the formatting also gets mangled -- again with the random linebreaks, and sometimes things are bolded or turned into headers for no apparent reason.
Similarly, when copying (again, using the context menu) from the forum input area into Notepad, linebreaks get doubled again. CRLF is not a hard problem to solve, guys!
Please just get rid of this monstrosity and use a standard textarea with Markdown or BBCode formatting support. Anyone posting on a forum dedicated to online gaming knows how to use one or both of these formatting systems, and you can even still have UI buttons to insert the appropriate formatting codes/symbols for the people who don't.
Alternatively, get a WYSIWYG editor that isn't terrible -- I can't offhand remember ever using one that I didn't find annoying, but there's got to be something better than this -- or just add an option to disable WYSIWYG editing per-user. As it stands I doubt I will be using the new forums very often. I even enabled commenting on Grid, though I hate comment pages as a communication medium in general, because that's still better than using these forums. :(
Please just get rid of this monstrosity and use a standard textarea with Markdown or BBCode formatting support. Anyone posting on a forum dedicated to online gaming knows how to use one or both of these formatting systems, and you can even still have UI buttons to insert the appropriate formatting codes/symbols for the people who don't.
I've been participating in the wowace forums for years, because their forums are simple and straightforward and they WORK.
This garbage is trying too hard to be unique and special instead of standard, and it's not what developers want.
This is my first post on these new forums. The WYSIWYG editor seems to be functioning fine on Chrome.
What I absolutely hate, however, is the blinding white. I'm surprised Phanx did not mention this, too, as I think I remember this bothers her eyes as well. I am currently leaning as far back from my screen as possible, with my head turned slightly away from the screen, squinting while I type. I'm fighting off a headache from the screen. I won't be using these forums much either, as they currently are.
Yesterday I came to the site a second time (2-3 hours after the first visit yesterday) and clicked "New Content" again. The couple posts I had already read were still listed. A third visit last night (I don't know why I tortured my eyes a third time, but... habits...) showed the "New Content" list as empty. So it doesn't really go off of last visit, but maybe a timeout?
Lastly, I thought the whole reason why the Curseforge and Wowace forums were separate in the first place was because the user-base of each site was a different group of people. And the whole "Wowace will preserve its autonomy" bit when it was purchased.
Okay, I can't stand another second without dimming my monitor.
This is my first post on these new forums. The WYSIWYG editor seems to be functioning fine on Chrome.
What I absolutely hate, however, is the blinding white. I'm surprised Phanx did not mention this, too, as I think I remember this bothers her eyes as well.
I'm not seeing a lot of the problems Phanx has commented on in Chrome either. Perhaps they haven't done as much testing with Firefox?
I despise the white background as well, but I've modified the CSS with Stylish. However, more sane default options are coming, eventually:
I've spoken with the dev team, and we will have light and dark versions of the themes in the future. I'll speak to timelines once I know for sure. :)`````
I didn't bother mentioning the obnoxious blinding white and small fonts again because I already wrote my own CSS to make the site usable.
After years of posting the same complaints and suggestions and explanations, and seeing every iteration of the site just make things worse and worse and worse, it's pretty obvious that Curse doesn't give a damn about even the most basic accessibility concerns and isn't going to change anything in this regard. If they do actually offer a dark theme in the future, it will undoubtedly be just as unusable, with tiny fonts and low contrast.
I do not know if it is related, but I was complaining in IRC (Aug 25) about the extremely sluggish WYSIWYG editor on WoWDB (as well as very sluggish load times for several Curse-owned websites) and chaud replied that "something broke recently and the javascript kills firefox" and to "use chrome for now." Hopefully now that Legion has launched, devs can turn their attention back to these problems.
Keyboard clipboard shortcuts seems to work for me now (not that I've tried before) on Firefox 48.0.2.
But I generally I agree that these "what you see is what you get but what you type is not necessarily what you see" editors can be pretty annoying. A plain old native textbox would be preferred.
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Your forum WYSIWYG editor is still horrible. Easily the worst web-based WYSIWYG editor I've ever had the misfortune to be subjected to.
The UI design is terrible, for one; it looks like the bastardized love-child of Windows 3.1 and an early 2000s cell phone UI. I could overlook that if it actually worked, but it doesn't.
Copying and pasting with Ctrl+C (or Ctrl+X) and Ctrl+V don't work in Firefox; I have no idea why you would think it's a good idea to intercept system-wide hotkeys in the first place, but whatever your copy/paste event handlers are supposed to be doing (I didn't bother looking), they're not doing it correctly. Ctrl+X removes the selected text, but doesn't copy it into the clipboard. Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V do nothing at all.
Basic typing and formatting are also unreliable. Pressing the "Enter" key on my keyboard sometimes inserts two linebreaks instead of one. Selecting text and clicking the "bold" button, for example, might bold the selected text... or it might just move the cursor to the end of the entered text and not bold anything.
When pasting text (by right-clicking and then clicking Paste in the context menu, since Ctrl+V doesn't work) from unformatted sources (eg. Notepad), actual linebreaks in the text are doubled (probably CRLF is being incorrectly treated as two linebreaks) and sometimes additional linebreaks are inserted in the middle of lines for no reason (there's definitely not any break-related character in the text there). When pasting text from formatted sources (eg. select all the entered text, copy from the context menu, then paste it back into the same place) the formatting also gets mangled -- again with the random linebreaks, and sometimes things are bolded or turned into headers for no apparent reason.
Similarly, when copying (again, using the context menu) from the forum input area into Notepad, linebreaks get doubled again. CRLF is not a hard problem to solve, guys!
Please just get rid of this monstrosity and use a standard textarea with Markdown or BBCode formatting support. Anyone posting on a forum dedicated to online gaming knows how to use one or both of these formatting systems, and you can even still have UI buttons to insert the appropriate formatting codes/symbols for the people who don't.
Alternatively, get a WYSIWYG editor that isn't terrible -- I can't offhand remember ever using one that I didn't find annoying, but there's got to be something better than this -- or just add an option to disable WYSIWYG editing per-user. As it stands I doubt I will be using the new forums very often. I even enabled commenting on Grid, though I hate comment pages as a communication medium in general, because that's still better than using these forums. :(
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Curse PremiumDitto everything Phanx said, especially this:
I've been participating in the wowace forums for years, because their forums are simple and straightforward and they WORK.
This garbage is trying too hard to be unique and special instead of standard, and it's not what developers want.
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Curse PremiumThis is my first post on these new forums. The WYSIWYG editor seems to be functioning fine on Chrome.
What I absolutely hate, however, is the blinding white. I'm surprised Phanx did not mention this, too, as I think I remember this bothers her eyes as well. I am currently leaning as far back from my screen as possible, with my head turned slightly away from the screen, squinting while I type. I'm fighting off a headache from the screen. I won't be using these forums much either, as they currently are.
Yesterday I came to the site a second time (2-3 hours after the first visit yesterday) and clicked "New Content" again. The couple posts I had already read were still listed. A third visit last night (I don't know why I tortured my eyes a third time, but... habits...) showed the "New Content" list as empty. So it doesn't really go off of last visit, but maybe a timeout?
Lastly, I thought the whole reason why the Curseforge and Wowace forums were separate in the first place was because the user-base of each site was a different group of people. And the whole "Wowace will preserve its autonomy" bit when it was purchased.
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Curse PremiumI didn't bother mentioning the obnoxious blinding white and small fonts again because I already wrote my own CSS to make the site usable.
After years of posting the same complaints and suggestions and explanations, and seeing every iteration of the site just make things worse and worse and worse, it's pretty obvious that Curse doesn't give a damn about even the most basic accessibility concerns and isn't going to change anything in this regard. If they do actually offer a dark theme in the future, it will undoubtedly be just as unusable, with tiny fonts and low contrast.
I know we can have custom css, but give a Dark theme please
I do not know if it is related, but I was complaining in IRC (Aug 25) about the extremely sluggish WYSIWYG editor on WoWDB (as well as very sluggish load times for several Curse-owned websites) and chaud replied that "something broke recently and the javascript kills firefox" and to "use chrome for now." Hopefully now that Legion has launched, devs can turn their attention back to these problems.
Keyboard clipboard shortcuts seems to work for me now (not that I've tried before) on Firefox 48.0.2.
But I generally I agree that these "what you see is what you get but what you type is not necessarily what you see" editors can be pretty annoying. A plain old native textbox would be preferred.