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    posted a message on Is thre some sane ace2 Bag addon?
    Quote from rophy »

    Quote from kartu »

    So much crap posted in this thread, someone even brought linux discussin. The question is still open:

    what are ace2 alternatives to bag addons?

    PS
    If someone knows CT_MailMod alternative plz let me know.


    Again, IMHO if you:
    • Dislike having 100 addons listed in your AddOn directory
    • Care about the extra load time of embedded library
    • At the same time you don't want to manually dis-embed the addons
    • You think the extra memory cost of an all-in-one mod is nothing

    then you shouldn't use Ace2 mods. I sincerely suggest you not to use any Ace2 mod even if there are any alternative.



    Because there is a number of ace2 addons that I really like, or use because I see no good alternatives, among them:

    oRA2
    sRaidFrames
    Clique
    MobHealth
    HealOrganizer
    SCx
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    posted a message on Is thre some sane ace2 Bag addon?
    Quote from ZealotOnAStick »

    Quote from kartu »


    I read that articles. Didn't chech "StandaloneLibraries" though. I install addons usually using AceUpdater. If description (as usual) says nothing and I really need some addon I use wiki.

    Is there a way to install standalone versions of addons using AceUpdater?


    Yes, there is. It's in that wiki that you state that you read, but which you also state that is often useless and outdated. I guess if you'd actually read the wiki (specifically, the wiki entry for WoWAceUpdater) you'd know how to do this.


    Provided batch scripts (!!!Standalonebla) end with errors.
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    posted a message on Is thre some sane ace2 Bag addon?
    So much crap posted in this thread, someone even brought linux discussin. The question is still open:

    what are ace2 alternatives to bag addons?

    PS
    If someone knows CT_MailMod alternative plz let me know.
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    posted a message on Is thre some sane ace2 Bag addon?
    Quote from Jerry »

    Please go away. I don't want final user telling me how I should code my addons. If you have a problem with this, just write your own and don't use mine. period.


    Plz go away. I didn't invite you to this thread, even more I was asking about alternatives to your addons, not changes to yours.


    On one side, one developper spending hours creating an addon. On the other, one user that can't take 5 minutes to just check whether an addon fits its taste... Whatever, instead of "wasting" your time, just stick to the base UI.

    No it's not 5 minutes in any way. And there are dosens of addons one has to install.

    Quote from Jerry »

    Well, you're asking an author to invest time changing his addon to fit your taste. The very least you can do is to present your request kindly. It's not a matter of taste, it's a matter of getting what you want. If you're rude, I don't wanna do it. If you're not, I might take a look.

    No, don't LIE. I didn't ask you anything, neither did I ask anyone else to change your addons. I don't really care about you or your addons, I just need one that fits my needs.

    Quote from kartu »

    Again, you don't have 5 minute to take to just check what the addon does, on the wiki, as has been pointed out.

    I've spent hours browsing wiki and following it's link to gmail for example. Descriptions like on your addon ("one bag..." bloody brilliant and extremely helpful I have to admit it again) make this whole process last much longer than 5 minutes, thank you.

    No, the "correct" number is unknown and not a factor.

    That's the problem. Someone is stupid enough to not see that one bag is a concept and if someone likes it for usual bags he likes it for bank bags as well.

    This is my last message on this post. Kartu, you're a troll. You're being stupid and if you really want addon author to listen more to user, you should stop now or change your tone.

    I can only again point you to the fact that I didn't ask neither you nor anyone else to change your precious addons.
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    posted a message on Is thre some sane ace2 Bag addon?
    To the "don't feed the troll" guy: GO FIND ANOTHER THREAD TROLL!!! This is last time I respond to some obvious troll in this thread.

    2OneWhatever author, point me to some statement in this thread where I ask you to change your addons? Well you can't find it? Did you read the first post? What did you see there? Wasn't it me ASKING FOR OTHER addon? Not yours? Oh, it was? Yes there are people that aren't fond of the way you write your precious addons and that don't even want to talk to you about it, cause they see no point.
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    No you're quite right I have no idea exactly how much it saves me, but lets look at some more examples then. I use cartographer and cartographer mining, I don't use any other plugins for cartographer, why? Because I only need the mining plugin. I used to use Grid, which probably has the most modules out of all the addons. My main is a warlock, all I need to know is who is dead and who is alive, so I don't use any of the other plugins. Closetgnome has a few plugins, I use mount and switcher, I don't need any of the others.


    Subaddons of Cartographer are used only by small portion of people, f.e. Herbalits is hardly of any use to nonherbalists. However there is hardly anyone that whants to see usual bags as one big bag but doesn't want to see bank bags. You can argue about saving bank content feature (but is the code for it so big that it is worth making yet another top level addon folder? Give me a brake..) or rings (which hardly anyone opens) but Bag and Bank is absolutely clear. Even if someone jumps out in this thread with anecdotal evidence of him using some weird combination it would more likely proove he was stuck in the addon mess and din't have a clue what to use.

    I could go on and on, but the point is, by all of these being modular I can save memory and load time. What is so difficult about thinking about which plugin I need to use other than the fact I need to engage my brain very, very slightly?


    I am not telling that modularity is bad. I am just saying that any good idea including modularity could be used in a way that it loses its advantages and even makes new problems. I didn't come to this forum for no reason, I spent hours trying to find normal mail addon and after that another hour trying to figure out which addon with braindead "one that binds all" description I actually need. There are 400+ addons on this site, many with cryptic names like kkbd, it isn't so easy to find one you really need.

    And you are wrong on loading time. Especially with this popular embedded style it will actually take more time to load. Ironically it will also use more memory, untill lua garbage collects.
    Compare it to just having some feature and switching it off (even by default) or just not loading it, what do you lose, few kbs on your 3digit GB HDD?

    Quote from kartu »

    And I think people like you are the reason that OneForgotthename still defaults to 4 columns for bank bags.
    Your logic here totally amuses me, what has me not using onebank got to do with how it defaults? Find a better argument because that smacks of total desperation.

    Someone belives there is a problem and states it. And after that there is a bunch of people that raise arguments about how altruistic the author is and how bad it is not to apreciate it, and since it is free no one dare complain even if some parts of it are total crap. Oh well. Do you honestly think authors write addons to please you? No they don't. They do it cause they find it fun. Some part of the fun is begin recognized and having your addon used by many people. It has nothing to do with being altruistic.


    2Alexgieg
    Point me to tons of mail choices plz, cause I had to switch back to CT_MailMod. Spotted Postman today will gona try it. But you said "tons" of choices. Are there other mail addons that can "open all" and can send bulk mail? What about bag addons, what options do I have there, could you help plz?
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    posted a message on Is thre some sane ace2 Bag addon?
    Quote from Narak »

    I think that posts like this are why addon authors get fed up and go elsewhere. They do it in their free time for no pay and then have to put up with arrogant people like kartu whose only interest is slating an addon.

    It was designed that way for a reason, and hey, guess what, I use Onebag but don't use Onebank, I use Onekey but have recently removed Oneview because I never used it. Hmmm, thats saved me some memory usage and some load time, so to quote Blizz 'working as intended'.


    You have no idea how much "memory" it saves you, but you have to waste time on testing and thinking whether you need all 5 just 3 or maybe 1 of those addons. So far so good. And I think people like you are the reason that OneForgotthename still defaults to 4 columns for bank bags.
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    posted a message on Is thre some sane ace2 Bag addon?
    Quote from funkydude »

    i updated the descriptions for those addons to make it more clear. but you are very wrong, you need to read what wowace is all about, this community is based to efficiency and saving memory


    Well reality doesn't change regardless of what names we give to things, bulkmail is in no way more efficient than CT_MailMod.

    I was looking for some set of addons based on the same library, which I thought would mean less bugs because core functionality would be thoroughly tested and robust. I didn't really get what I wanted, there is too much power in hands of developers and there is no testing mechanism (at least as far as I am aware).

    But instead I got AceUpdater, which I liked a lot. Browsing repository of addons from a simple program that can install and update them is a great idea. That and the fact that getting addons from other sources also means searching through piles of garbage didn't make me abandon the idea to sticking to ace2 addons when possible.

    I wonder if there is such thing as "guidline" for developers (navigating wiki ain't that easy maybe I missed it somewhere) but my acebuffs addon is in "others" addon group, healer assignment addon claims itself to be an "interface enchancement". Oh well.

    I don't want to see 5 addons in my addon list that just do one piece of work - show me all bags as one. I would prefer to use ace2 addon that does it, if available. That's why I started this thread.
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    posted a message on Is thre some sane ace2 Bag addon?
    Quote from ravagernl »

    Kartu, you can download Ace2 AddOns without libraries embedded, but you'll have to have the libraries as "AddOns" inside your AddOns folder.

    http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Ace2_Memory_Concerns
    Also check !!!StandaloneLibraries, inside the zip there is a readme, read it.


    I read that articles. Didn't chech "StandaloneLibraries" though. I install addons usually using AceUpdater. If description (as usual) says nothing and I really need some addon I use wiki.

    Is there a way to install standalone versions of addons using AceUpdater?

    2) A few kbs of memory mean nothing to 99.99% of the wow users (since they have plenty of ram normally) but longer loading times DO mean.
    You're talking shit, you have no idea wtf you just said.

    I actually know in good details what I am talking about. And I find your statement a bit weak and lacking argument I am afraid.
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    posted a message on Is thre some sane ace2 Bag addon?
    Quote from Jerry »
    I never said you could not critisize. I said that the way you are doing it is wrong.


    A matter of taste.

    The fun part is not in distributing an addon. Trust me

    Having addon used by a large group could be very satisfactory I guess.

    Quote from kartu »

    It seems to me that huge part of developers forget about:
    1) Short description should help someone understand what addon does (and sometimes what not), not be 'fun' to read and tell nothing.


    Why ? You cared to download / install it and you don't even know what it does ? Who is to blame ?


    Because of often nonexistant/outdated/incorrect/toshort/etc documentation on addons the shortest way to see what addon does is often just to install it. And I can only repeat what short descriptions of addons were ment for.

    Quote from kartu »

    2) A few kbs of memory mean nothing to 99.99% of the wow users (since they have plenty of ram normally) but longer loading times DO mean.

    I don't know about you, but I play the game for several hours. I don't load the game 20 times a day. I don't care if the game take 2 seconds more to load.


    You neither care about few dosen of extra kbs of memory used.

    Quote from kartu »

    3) Having to install 5 addons instead of 1 IS much less convenient. You have to update 5 addons instead of one, you have 5 folders instead of one. Not to mention you have to understand which addons you need and which not.


    That's because you choose to have all functionnality. What about others that only want a part of it ?


    I feel we are running in circles here. Your argument was already answered.

    Quote from kartu »

    4) Because of p2 and p3 if 95% of users would use full addon functionality it often doesn't make sence to split addon into smaller ones. Mail related addons are another example.


    Where does this 95% comes from ? You can only speak for yourself. Certainly not for 95% of users.


    Oh. And because I can speak only about myself the "correct" number is 0.00001% I guess. "Solid logic." And where does "certainly not 95% of users" come from, you can speak only for yourself.

    Quote from kartu »

    5) A few extra kilobites and even dozen of kilobites is not something that users would notice. Most wouldn't even notice if addons would use twice as much memory as before, unless they check numbers shown by other addons.

    That is wrong. That simply shows that you don't have any experience dealing with memory concerns. When 2.0.1 was released, memory usage increased a lot and people noticed and cared about. A lot.


    How much memory we are talking about plz. Those few kbs "saved" when splitting similiar functionality into many smaller addons that do that cool initialization procedure each time?

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    posted a message on Is thre some sane ace2 Bag addon?
    2JerryIf no one will criticize the overframeworkishness (yes English is not my native language) madness that is so common among ace2 developers I don't see how it would improve at all. I understand that people don't get money for writing addons and they spent a lot of time writing it (thoguh it might be fun for many, or they won't be doing it) but it doesn't mean no one could critisize them.

    It seems to me that huge part of developers forget about:
    1) Short description should help someone understand what addon does (and sometimes what not), not be 'fun' to read and tell nothing.
    2) A few kbs of memory mean nothing to 99.99% of the wow users (since they have plenty of ram normally) but longer loading times DO mean.
    3) Having to install 5 addons instead of 1 IS much less convenient. You have to update 5 addons instead of one, you have 5 folders instead of one. Not to mention you have to understand which addons you need and which not.
    4) Because of p2 and p3 if 95% of users would use full addon functionality it often doesn't make sence to split addon into smaller ones. Mail related addons are another example.
    5) A few extra kilobites and even dozen of kilobites is not something that users would notice. Most wouldn't even notice if addons would use twice as much memory as before, unless they check numbers shown by other addons.
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    posted a message on Is thre some sane ace2 Bag addon?
    2Srosh
    Sorry but wiki is so often outdated. Gmail addon is still listed as an alternative to CT_MailMod. Many addons just have stubs instead of description. I didn't start OneWhatever's discussion, I just asked if there were alternatives.
    I fail to see why you are still trolling in my thread, Srosh, if you don't want to help, go find another thread to troll.

    And YES, the fact that good ideas (like separating things that have nothing in common) are used in a way that it creates new problems (user has to navigate through 5 addon descriptions just to understand what he needs to just have his bags shown as one), together with extremely helpful short descriptions do piss me off.
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    posted a message on Is thre some sane ace2 Bag addon?
    Does anyone know of alternatives with features from the first post, alternatives that do not pretend that onebank and onebag (as of one ring, sigh, I can live without it) are 2 different addons with different functionality.

    Thank you in advance.

    PS
    Funkydude, there is also a common sense. Wiki site is not that easy to navigate and I fail to see why one has to navigate through FIVE addon descriptions on the wiki site just to have obvious bag functionality. Author of Onewhatever doesn't know what short descriptions are for, I am not surprised.
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    P.S.
    How much memory does your PC/Notebook have, do you know how much memory "OneBank" needs?
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    posted a message on Is thre some sane ace2 Bag addon?
    Funkydude this thread was not ment as OneWhatever discussion but if you insist description for mentioned addons says:

    OneBag : One bag to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them. (Kaelten)
    OneBank : One bag to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them. (Kaelten)
    OneRing : One bag to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them. (Kaelten)

    Oh and even cooler than that:
    OneView : One bag to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them. (Kaelten)

    Only this part spoils the picture:
    OneStorage : A universal persistent pooled database for bank, inventory , and equipment data.(Kaelten)

    Very insightfull huh? So, again, wtf does OneView do? And what from above mentioned do you use, funkydude?
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    posted a message on Is thre some sane ace2 Bag addon?
    P.S.
    And what the flux was "OneView" ment for? Even cooler functionality that "eats memory" hence comes as a separate addon?
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