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    posted a message on ChatThrottleLib available
    Quote from Kyahx »

    This is how I'm seeing this issue...

    Situation A) User has an assload of mods (3 damage meters, a threat meter, etc...) that all send tons of information and he decides "Hey, I'm going to install BigWigs since all the cool kids are doing it". To make this even more complicated lets say hes an dumb raid leader, and the main tank at that. Raid time comes and zomg, he keeps getting disconnected during boss-fights. He decideds "well, the only thing I recently changed is BigWigs, so this mod must suck!". He was kicked becuase BigWigs was sending the 'straw that broke the camel's back' so to speak. He tells his guild to not use BW becuase "it sucks".

    Situation B) Same stupid user again has an assload of mods, this time they all use CTL. He decides "Hey, I'm going to install BigWigs since all the cool kids are doing it". Raid time comes, and oh noes! BigWigs messages seem delayed. He blames it on server lag and decides to deal with it.

    Honestly, people who aren't bogging down their system with a ton of stuff are going to send the messeages immediatly regaurdless, becuase they have the space to send it. Also this ignorent-user is still going to recieve those sync messeages, on time, from the smart user. The ONLY things it's going to cause issue with is things like NefCount that are counting most/all users sending things instantly and acurately.

    Given the two hypotetical situations, I'd rather see situation B.


    Hmm... You're probably right. As long as there's at least one user per side that's sending messages on time this should not even be an issue for NefCount.
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    posted a message on ChatThrottleLib available
    Quote from Mikk »

    • ChatThrottleLib will NOT CAUSE DELAYS UNLESS NECESSARY. None at all. Not even a little. If there's room to send messages without delaying, there is no delay.


    My problem is that it makes the timing unpredictable. You cannot know what other add-ons the user is running, and how long your messages might be delayed...

    Quote from Mikk »

    • By declaring that your traffic is too important to pass through ChatThrottleLib, you're being totally ignorant of the fact that when the outbound pipe is full, It. Is. Full. It doesn't matter if your traffic wants to be real time. If you overload the outbound pipe, you kick the player off, and your traffic is not just not real time. It is NOT. At all.


    Actually i said I'd prefer people being disconnected. I do notice the benefit of ChatThrottleLib, but I don't trust the average WoW player to pick "chat friendly" add-ons unless something makes them. Blizzard chose to disconnect them... Maybe a big fat error popup saying "you'd just have been disconnected because your outbound traffic is too high" would have the same effect.

    Quote from Mikk »

    I'd rather have the other users sorting their add-ons not to spam so much than making message timing even more unpredictable.


    ... by making addon authors use ChatThrottleLib even though they all feel that their traffic is important enough to kick players off in order to, oh, for example, keep an accurate count of Chromatics?


    If people see a timer bar (like for Sartura's Whirlwind), they tend to rely on it. Depending on the "purpose" of that timer no bar at all might be better than a wrong one. That's why I think some time-critical events are better sent immediately or not at all. (Maybe they should have their own cathegory...)
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    posted a message on BigWigs
    Quote from teedog »

    Grimwald:
    I've noticed that the NefCount bars don't seem to have a fixed order. Sometimes the "total killed" bar is at the top of the three bars, sometimes it's in the middle. Could you make it fixed so it doesn't change position each time? Or perhaps an option to toggle the display of the three bars? I'm mostly just interested in the total killed bar.

    Also, could the raiding warning message announce how many kills remaining rather than how many Draks killed?

    Thanks for this plugin! It's the first accurate and working Nef counter I've found. Others are all buggy or inaccurate or plain borked.

    There already is a toggle to disable the bars and warnings for the coloured Drakonids. Check the BigWigs menu under Bosses/BWL/Nefarian Counter ;)

    Yes, announcing how many drakonids are left might be better...
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    posted a message on BigWigs
    Quote from Grimwald »

    Quote from teedog »

    The point of a plugin is that it doesn't belong in BigWigs core and thus should be optional, right? Doesn't make sense to force everyone to use something that's optional or risk getting incompatibility errors.


    I'm not really comfortable with changing anything in BigWigs' core, unless it's clearly a bugfix, because I don't want to change things that could intentionally be like they are (again)...

    We'd have to flag a module as optional on startup, pass that information along with the enable sync message and check for optional modules after receiving it.


    Couldn't resist after all...
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    posted a message on BigWigs
    Quote from teedog »

    The point of a plugin is that it doesn't belong in BigWigs core and thus should be optional, right? Doesn't make sense to force everyone to use something that's optional or risk getting incompatibility errors.


    I'm not really comfortable with changing anything in BigWigs' core, unless it's clearly a bugfix, because I don't want to change things that could intentionally be like they are (again)...

    We'd have to flag a module as optional on startup, pass that information along with the enable sync message and check for optional modules after receiving it.
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    posted a message on ChatThrottleLib available
    Quote from dafire »

    So what if someone with 500ms latency reports the kill and someone with 30ms ? Same problem. But since both sides usually have different names you could check for that ;9

    One possibility would to send the timestamp of the kill with the sync message.. but then again you would need a precise server time.


    Chromatics still are called Chromatics, no matter what side they are :p

    You're right, normal latency is bad enough. There's no way to guarantee every Chromatic is counted (because there's no unique ID, not everyone gets every kill message, there's no global time and there's no minimum time between 2 kills). That's less of a problem for the colours, since everyone on one side should be able to get all the "local" kill messages... For the Chromatics every bit of delay, both from latency and artificial, makes syncing less reliable.
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    posted a message on BigWigs
    Quote from teedog »

    My guildies that don't run BigWigs_NefCount reported that they got errors about NefCount on Nefarian. Unfortunately I don't have the error message, but I suspect non-NefCount users are choking on the sync messages sent by NefCount?

    Yes, it's probably the EnableModule sync message (sent by Core though...). Get your guildies to use NefCount ;)
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    posted a message on ChatThrottleLib available
    Quote from Mikk »

    Yep. Absolutely. This is a good reason to use ChatThrottleLib and send them in ALERT priority; they will not be delayed as long as we are not running a risk for kicking the player out of the game. It is not a good reason to ignore ChatThrottleLib altogether.


    Imagine you want to count Chromatic Drakonid kills. The 2 doors are too far apart, there's no way you can get the death messages from both sides. If a Chromatic dies on the left side, and 0.3 seconds later one on the right (=your side) dies. With a delay of roughly 0.2 seconds and 100ms latency you risk not tracking the kill on the left.

    If you want to use the Shadow Flame warnings to start casting heals on the MT (with at least 2.5 sec casting time) every tiny bit matters... Edit: I'm not saying that is the best strategy to deal with shadow flames :p

    In both cases no delay would be better, and a delayed message is about as usefull as none at all. I'd rather have the other users sorting their add-ons not to spam so much than making message timing even more unpredictable.
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    posted a message on ChatThrottleLib available
    Quote from Mikk »

    Okay. I still don't see how enforcing a limit by kicking a player out is better than enforcing it by introducing chat delay, but it seems I'm the only one with that opinion, so I'll just yield here. After all, the whole reason for writing the library was to have lots people actually want to use it, so I really do have to win the popularity contest :-P

    BigWigs sync messages are useless when they are delayes too long...
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    posted a message on Improved Raid Warning Frame
    Quote from Arrowmaster »
    Change self.bossblock:IsChannelSupressed(event) to self.bossblock.db.profile.hideraidwarn


    Updated ;)
    Posted in: General AddOns
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    posted a message on BigWigs
    Quote from vhaarr »

    Was that before or after http://svn.wowace.com/svnweb/index.cgi/root/revision/?rev=7353 ?


    The sync code isn't executed during startup when you see the loading screen, so it's highly unlikely that the patch would change the Nef Counter's behaviour when logging in.

    I'm guessing though you'll get a missing translation error after the patch, because "Nefarian Counter" is no boss name...
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    posted a message on BigWigs
    Quote from Gamefaq »

    Grimwald du you have read my post above?


    Actually I overlooked it before... Can you delete BigWigs' saved variables and try again, please? (BigWigs_NefCount.lua in the saved variables isn't used any more - it's safe to delete it additionally.)

    What language client are you using?
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    posted a message on SCT 6.0 / SCTD 3.0
    With Witchhunt you can even use SCT to display the spell alerts...
    Posted in: General AddOns
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    posted a message on BigWigs
    Quote from tekkub »
    2 appears to be caused be the NefCounter, not sure what's up there.


    I'm pretty sure it's not the Nef Counter... Doesn't CTRA "combine" messages with '#' as separator? At least following code in oRA suggests it:

    if ( string.find(msg, "#") ) then
    	local arr = self:Split(msg, "#")
    	for c, b in arr do
    		local cmd = self:Split(b, " ")
    		if Checks[cmd[1]] then
    			self:TriggerEvent(Checks[cmd[1]].event, b, a2, a3, a4, a5, a6, a7, a8, a9)
    		end
    	end
    else
    	local cmd = self:Split(msg, " ")
    	if Checks[cmd[1]] then
    		self:TriggerEvent(Checks[cmd[1]].event, a1, a2, a3, a4, a5, a6, a7, a8, a9)
    	end
    end


    I guess an EnableModule sync message was combined with a /rs message (those start with "MS "...)
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    posted a message on BigWigs
    Is it possible that the target setup code in BigWigs:RegisterModule() is setting up tables that are not used any more? Could it be replaced by a call to BigWigsTargetMonitor:BigWigs_RegisterForTargetting()?
    Posted in: Raid AddOns
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