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    posted a message on ClearFont and ClearFont2 - Official thread
    Quote from Drinyth »

    Maybe the issue with EBBs is only apparant when using the target and focus bars? I've posted that choppiness bar bug in the EBBs thread several weeks ago, but nobody had responded which leads be to believe that nobody is using it for this purpose (I can't see how it wouldn't bother someone else? - it's pretty bad if you ask me). I'll try running EBBs again without the target/focus additional bars that I added along side CF2. I'll see if that doesn't clear up the issue for me. *shrug*


    Well, I've run EBBs and CF2 now the past few days (without the target and focus bars - just the player bars with pretty much the default settings) and it seems to be behaving so far. No crashes in a few days now. So, I'm sorry to the CF2 folks for possibly jumping the gun here.

    I still have yet to run EBBs with target and focus bars for any length of time to see if that, indeed, is where the instability lies. Honestly, I'll probably never get around to it unless they fix the jumpy, stuttering issues with those bars. It's too ugly to have to look at. :/
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    posted a message on WowAceUpdater - An update tool for Windows users.
    I don't see why it would be a lack of respect? But I suppose someone could donate with the option to have the dollar amount withheld from the profile but still have some sort of premium title attached if they were that self conscious about it.

    I think that you'd attract more money if you allowed people to compete to have the most amount of cash donated and viewable by the others. Again going back to if you can donate $1 and you get the same perks and status as if you donated $100, the incentive to give more is gone.

    I do agree that folks should be given the option to have their donations be kept anonymous/discreet. I don't think it's a lack of respect to offer the public display as an option though.
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    posted a message on WowAceUpdater - An update tool for Windows users.
    Quote from xOrion73x »

    On a side note.. wanna see the funds rise? post donation amounts under people's avatars.. the competition for who's the highest ought to capture at least part of the userbase.


    I never thought of this, but I think it could work quite well. And unless the donations are overflowing, this should take a minimal amount of time by the admins to do daily or weekly (even if it IS overflowing, that's a good problem to have).
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    posted a message on WowAceUpdater - An update tool for Windows users.
    Quote from Kaelten »

    Limiting Usage: Yes this would help us, but it would also hurt us. Whether its bandwidth throttle or members only it'd still be annoying to the end user and actually limit their ability to work with it.

    Premium: I think this idea is great! It gives a value added option for those willing to help contribute to the site. I want this. However, I'm not able to start it immediately, but the bills are due NOW.

    Ads: Ya they suck, and no one likes them. Why would we? I hate commercials on television. Why would websites and apps be any different. But I'm not asking anything from you other than to see them, hell I know I barely really 'see' them as it is. I'm also trying to keep their numbers low and overall unobtrusive. I do like one thing from ads though. Not everyone can afford to donate. Everyone can click on the occasional ad. The money isn't coming from your pockets. The other things you can afford and want and desire. You aren't having to make a choice between wowace and something else. The money comes from the outside, and to me thats a personal relief.

    One thing gets me though. Through all this bitching and complaining and criticizing (don't assume you're guilty of all of these, its a generalization) there is one thing I haven't gotten. A donation.


    Just some thoughts on the above:

    Limiting Usage/Premium could maybe be lumped into one category? Premium members get preferred, non-throttled downloads where limited users could potentially have to wait in a queue to receive downloads from the servers. I'm guessing that most folks (and I'm guilty of this), aren't going to pay if they can get something for free. And especially so if they're going to receive the same level of service as someone that didn't pay. If there is no penalty for not contributing, then there is no incentive to contribute. Heck, even a special title on the forums of "Premium WowAce Member" or something would be a bone thrown to the people that did.

    Ads: I have a DVR so that I don't have to watch commercials - I pretty much never watch live TV anymore because I can't stand them. I use Firefox and Adblock Plus to remove most of the ads on websites that are out there today. The notion that not everyone can afford to donate seems a little ironic to me. I mean, these people can "afford" to pay for a WoW subscription, but not afford to throw some additional funds to something that improves their WoW experience? If people can throw out money to play a game and WAU is *that* important to them, I think they'll find the extra little bit of change to pay for the cause. I mean, if $1/mo (just throwing that out there as a number) is going to really break the bank, then maybe one should reconsider paying $15/mo to play WoW if they're *that* strapped for cash.

    As for the lack of donations through all this discussion, I think you perhaps would have had more luck if you posted here, on the main page, or within WAU iteself that WAU could/would potentially be coming to this if you didn't receive more donations. I know you stated above that you didn't like to have to shake the tip jar. But as it stands now, even IF people donate... they're still going to see the ads. Which I'm guessing has people wondering why they'd donate to have the same experience as someone that didn't.

    Yeah, I'm sure there are people who are more altruistic and just donate because it's a good cause and a nice thing to do. But I'm sure as you're seeing with the lack of donations thus far, those kinds of people are very much in the minority.

    Just my $0.02. :)
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    posted a message on Manufac: Retooled Professions
    I've been getting this error with Manufac recently:

    [2007/07/10 18:51:22-104-x1]: Manufac-2.0.r36529\Manufac.lua:594: PeriodicTable-3.0: Invalid arg1: item must be a number or item link
    <in C code>: in function `CastSpell'
    Manufac-2.0.r36529\Manufac.lua:906: in function `func'
    Dewdrop-2.0-42392 (DewdropLib):665: in function <...erface\AddOns\DewdropLib\Dewdrop-2.0\Dewdrop-2.0.lua:604>
    
     ---
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    posted a message on WowAceUpdater - An update tool for Windows users.
    As I said in my other post, I really don't have an issue with developers wanting to make money from what they put their time and efforts into. I'm just not a big fan of the advertisements, is all. :/ Especially for something that has come off SF.net. This is the first piece of software that I've downloaded from SF.net that has ads within it (although, I typically purposely look for something that's ad-free).

    I totally understand that servers and bandwidth cost money and that you shouldn't have to come up with money out of your pocket for the rest of us.

    Have you ever considered asking for resource donations instead of monetary donations? Maybe asking the community if they'd be willing to host mirrors, etc? It could be that someone may have server/bandwidth resources sitting around that are easier to give away than generating revenue via ads? I honestly don't know if that would be any more practical than asking for donations, but it might work?

    Or have you considered the option of having paid account where by people pay a nominal fee for an ad-free WAU with unrestricted bandwidth? And for the rest of the users, an adware app and/or system where preference is given to paid users? With the number of alternative sites where people can download addons from, I don't know how that would fair against the other sites that offer downloads for free in the long run, though.

    It's a tough crowd out there on the 'net. For better or worse, people are accustomed now a days to getting high quality software for free...

    I think WowAce is the best site out there for addons. I'll continue to support WAU, ads or no ads... or until something better comes along. :P
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    posted a message on WowAceUpdater - An update tool for Windows users.
    Release Name: 1.9.25
    Notes: Display's ads at the bottom to help support wowace.com


    I'm guessing this means to generate revenue to support the running of the wowace.com website operations vs. to promote (generate traffic to) wowace.com. Because the AD that I received had nothing to do with wowace.com.

    Ehhh. Normally as another poster said... I wouldn't care about this if it were closed course and not on SourceForge. Proprietary app... do what you wish. But for something on SF, I think it's kind of weak. :/ I got nothing against developers wanting money for their work or trying to feed their family. But ads and open source just don't mix well in my book.

    That said, the app works pretty well. I'll continue to use it regardless... Until something that works just as well and is ad-free comes around, that is.
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    posted a message on ClearFont and ClearFont2 - Official thread
    Go to EBBs and make a new group. Set the bars to 'target' or 'focus' and then set the type to 'debuff'. Then go... debuff something. :) On my screen, those bars are choppy. They're smooth for the player buffs. Likewise, my target/focus bars are smooth in ClassTimers and in Quartz. But they're not in EEBs.

    If you visit the EBBs thread on page 3, you'll see that they used to be choppy for the player bars in EBBs infancy. I'm guessing they fixed it on the player bars, but not on the target/focus bars.

    Maybe the issue with EBBs is only apparant when using the target and focus bars? I've posted that choppiness bar bug in the EBBs thread several weeks ago, but nobody had responded which leads be to believe that nobody is using it for this purpose (I can't see how it wouldn't bother someone else? - it's pretty bad if you ask me). I'll try running EBBs again without the target/focus additional bars that I added along side CF2. I'll see if that doesn't clear up the issue for me. *shrug*
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    posted a message on ClearFont and ClearFont2 - Official thread
    Those are really the only two modules that I was tinkering with recently. Yesterday morning, I installed EBBs (you're referring to the new ElkBuffBars, as opposed to ElkBuffBar, yes?) in addition to the other addons that I had which included CF2. I ran with it probably for an hour or two this way, and then I did get two WoW crashes within an hour. My WoW had been quite stable until this point.

    After browsing the forums some, I came across the bug that people were having with HeatMap which then had me wonder if it wasn't CF2. So I uninstalled CF2 and that combination worked smoothly for the remainder of the day (maybe 5-6 hours? - it was a long WoW day yesterday :) ).

    Currently, I'm running without either (EBBs because of 'choppiness' of target/focus debuffs and CF2 because I'm scared of stability issues with it and other mods). I suppose I can continue to do more testing with these two addons over the next couple of days and report back if I experience any more crashes and what combination of the two addons causes the crashes. I'll keep you all posted if I do.
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    posted a message on ClearFont and ClearFont2 - Official thread
    Quote from tripdream »

    I am currently using ElkBuffBars myself and the addon seems to be behaving well with ClearFont2 as I haven't had any crashes yet since deleting HeatMap. I believe that HeatMap is one of those optional things for Cartographer and I don't remember installing it. That would explain why I suddenly started getting crashes. I will check to see if HeatMap comes with the Cartographer Pack so that next time I update it won't get inadvertently re-installed and cause problems.


    I don't have HeatMap as a part of my Cartographer installation. I may have deleted it previously though? It's been quite a while since I installed Cartographer initially.

    My crashes with EBBs and CF2 weren't immediate. Sometimes I could play for a couple hours before it would crash out. Usually, the crashes came about when I'd interact with NPCs in the game - the banker, or a vendor, for example. It crashed once when I brought up the configuration window for Quartz and tried to change some options. But I seem to be able to run CF2 or EBBs standalone for hours on end without any problems? Just not both? *shrug*

    In the crashes that I did get, they were always "Error #132" in nature and the string:

    The instruction at "0x006BD5CD" referenced memory at "0x36C2F000".
    The memory could not be "written".


    Seemed to be consistent. Within that string, the instruction "0x006BD5CD" always seemed to be the same, while the referenced memory was different. The error was also always with a problem with the memory being "written" (as opposed to "read" like I've read elsewhere).
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    posted a message on ClearFont and ClearFont2 - Official thread
    Well, in HeatMap's defense (indirectly)... I disabled CL2 and reenabled ElkBuffBars yesterday and that stopped my WoW from crashing. So it appears that CL2 might be more of the factor itself than the other mods? Or there might be something coded with those specific mods themselves as to be incompatible with CL2?

    In any case, as much as I didn't want to, I've chosen to disable CL2 instead. It's too bad because I like the CL2 look more than the standard WoW font. But with CL2 potentially causing a conflict with HeatMat and EBBs, I'm wondering if it will have problems playing nicely with other addons in the future?
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    posted a message on Quartz: Modular Casting Bar
    I didn't see a way with InFlight, but you can drop InFlight in favor of ToFu. You can hide that bar. Actually, you can not even have it on your FuBar at all and it still uses the times from the mod in Quartz.
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    posted a message on ClassTimer - Official thread
    Variables are getting saved again between sessions. Thanks for the fix, Omni!
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    posted a message on WowAceUpdater - An update tool for Windows users.
    Quote from Drinyth »

    But I will continue to use it and post back if it does crash. Or post back in a few days with an all clear. Whichever comes first.


    Just wanted to post back that it seems that the crashing bug has been fix here in the later versions too. Thanks again for all your hard work! This tool is the primary motivator for having me looking for Ace2 addons. :)
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    posted a message on ElkBuffBars v2 (finally Ace3 version)
    Quote from Drinyth »

    Also, and this may not be EBBs fault since nobody else seems to have this problem. But the past couple times I've been fiddling around with this mod, WoW crashes for me with a #132 error:

    This application has encountered a critical error:
    
    ERROR #132 (0x85100084) Fatal Exception
    Program:	C:\Program Files (x86)\World of Warcraft\WoW.exe
    Exception:	0xC0000005 (ACCESS_VIOLATION) at 0023:006BD5CD
    
    The instruction at "0x006BD5CD" referenced memory at "0x36C2F000".
    The memory could not be "written".


    It happened twice this morning after enabling the mod. I did disable the mod and it was running stable for the rest of the afternoon. And it has been running stable prior to installing the mod. It could be coincidence? I didn't read any other reports of people running into these issues? Or maybe there is an EBB conflict with another one of my mods? *shrug*

    Anyway, if things run stable here for a few days, maybe I'll try it again. I ran some stress tests with memtest, etc. and those all passed so I don't think it's my hardware.


    Actually, reading the WowAce forums, there was another guy who was running ClearFont2 and found that it had a conflict with another one of his mods causing a very similar error. So I'm going to disable CF2 for now and keep running EBBs to see if that stops it from crashing. I'll keep you posted.
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