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    posted a message on Official Threat-1.0 error reporting and discussion thread
    Quote from Adirelle »

    It was suspected that Intimidation scales, but we don't have any clue about the scaling formula.

    Accordingly to your data, I would say that Intimidation generates as mush threat as growl, though I don't think it shares its scaling formula. But it could be interesting to see if it scales with AP, level or other things.


    The problem is during my first 2 attempts nothing changed and it produced different ranges(1330-1374, 1262-1303). It isn't until the last three attempts that I changed my gear, and my pets AP increased.
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    5 Logs (boring sections snipped) of intimidation testing.
    559546.316: Gylar > target > Starving Helboar
    559548.054: Gylar > cast Intimidation > 
    559549.16: Serpy > target > Starving Helboar
    559551.251: Serpy > 74 damage (Physical) > Starving Helboar
    559551.469: Starving Helboar > 54 damage (Physical) > Serpy
    559551.671: Serpy > Cast Intimidation > Starving Helboar [AP: 373 (304 + 69 - 0)]
    559551.672: Starving Helboar > 24 damage (Fire) > Serpy
    559551.987: Starving Helboar > target > Serpy
    559551.987: Player did 0 damage since last ToT change, last hit was 0, threat range is 0.00-0.00
    559551.998: Serpy > target > <none>
    ...
    559613.031: Gylar > 44 damage (Physical) > Starving Helboar
    559613.429: Starving Helboar > target > Gylar
    559613.429: Player did 1448 damage since last ToT change, last hit was 44, threat range is 1276.36-1316.36

    1448 - 74 = 1374 ==> 1330-1374

    560445.835: Gylar > target > Starving Helboar
    560450.787: Gylar > cast Intimidation > 
    560452.995: Serpy > target > Starving Helboar
    560455.991: Serpy > 70 damage (Physical) > Starving Helboar
    560456.427: Serpy > Cast Intimidation > Starving Helboar [AP: 373 (304 + 69 - 0)]
    560456.636: Starving Helboar > target > Serpy
    560456.637: Player did 0 damage since last ToT change, last hit was 0, threat range is 0.00-0.00
    560457.11: Serpy > target > <none>
    ...
    560524.208: Gylar > 41 damage (Physical) > Starving Helboar
    560524.825: Starving Helboar > target > Gylar
    560524.825: Player did 1373 damage since last ToT change, last hit was 41, threat range is 1210.91-1248.18

    1373-70=1303 ==> 1262-1303

    561380.867: Gylar > cast Intimidation > 
    561382.256: Gylar > target > Starving Helboar
    561383.879: Serpy > target > Starving Helboar
    561385.887: Starving Helboar > target > Serpy
    561386.089: Serpy > 81 damage (Physical) > Starving Helboar
    561386.091: Starving Helboar > 118 damage (Physical) > Serpy
    561386.458: Serpy > Cast Intimidation > Starving Helboar [AP: 433 (304 + 129 - 0)]
    561386.793: Serpy > target > <none>
    ...
    561425.834: Gylar > 71 damage (Physical) > Starving Helboar
    561426.52: Starving Helboar > target > Gylar
    561426.52: Player did 1365 damage since last ToT change, last hit was 71, threat range is 1176.36-1240.91

    1365-81=1284 ==> 1213-1284

    561511.016: Gylar > cast Intimidation > 
    561512.002: Gylar > target > Starving Helboar
    561512.956: Serpy > target > Starving Helboar
    561517.356: Starving Helboar > 68 damage (Physical) > Serpy
    561517.556: Serpy > 81 damage (Physical) > Starving Helboar
    561517.756: Starving Helboar > target > Serpy
    561517.756: Player did 0 damage since last ToT change, last hit was 0, threat range is 0.00-0.00
    561517.771: Serpy > Cast Intimidation > Starving Helboar [AP: 433 (304 + 129 - 0)]
    561517.772: Starving Helboar > 24 damage (Fire) > Serpy
    561518.161: Serpy > target > <none>
    ...
    561557.119: Gylar > 72 damage (Physical) > Starving Helboar
    561557.504: Starving Helboar > 102 damage (Physical) > Gylar
    561557.905: Starving Helboar > target > Gylar
    561557.905: Player did 1437 damage since last ToT change, last hit was 72, threat range is 1240.91-1306.36

    1437-81 = 1356 ==> 1284-1356

    561727.313: Gylar > target > Starving Helboar
    561729.905: Gylar > cast Intimidation > 
    561732.131: Serpy > target > Starving Helboar
    561734.44: Serpy > 75 damage (Physical) > Starving Helboar
    561734.64: Starving Helboar > 57 damage (Physical) > Serpy
    561734.743: Serpy > Cast Intimidation > Starving Helboar [AP: 433 (304 + 129 - 0)]
    561734.941: Starving Helboar > target > Serpy
    561734.941: Player did 0 damage since last ToT change, last hit was 0, threat range is 0.00-0.00
    561734.945: Serpy > target > <none>
    ...
    561761.388: Gylar > 72 damage (Physical) > Starving Helboar
    561762.007: Starving Helboar > target > Gylar
    561762.007: Player did 1424 damage since last ToT change, last hit was 72, threat range is 1229.09-1294.55

    1424-75=1349==> 1277-1349

    Ranges:

    1)1330-1374
    2)1262-1303
    3)1213-1284
    4)1284-1356
    5)1277-1349

    All of these tests were done with my pet unhappy (I'm a bad hunter). The first 2 were without any gear at all, the last 3 were with some gear on to up my damage because it was boring waiting so long to pull agro.

    Based on the ranges there is either something strange about intimidate that no one has figured out, or something else generating threat for my pet or me that isn't being accounted for.

    I DO have 2/2 Spirit bond, but earlier testing I did showed that it didnt generate threat for either my pet or me.

    Any ideas?

    Or maybe the tests were flawed somehow?
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    posted a message on Official Threat-1.0 error reporting and discussion thread
    Quote from Antiarc »

    Re: Intimidation, your methodology looks right, but I'd say just melee the mob if possible - melee is known to basically always be 1 damage : 1 threat, which makes it easier to trust. I have a tool in Threat that you can use to make this easier.

    1) /tlog start
    2) Have the pet go in, intimidate, one auto attack, and stay.
    3) Melee the mob until you pull aggro. Smaller hits are better, of course.
    4) /tlog report. This will let you copy-paste a log of the relevant information out of game for further parsing, and will also give you an estimate of the threat that you did.



    There may be something wrong with the /tlog feature. I have Recount and omen installed, both of which use Threat, and are the only 2 addons that do you threat(to my knoledge). When they are both enabled every line in the /tlog report is duplicated so it "thinks" I have done 2x as much damage. I believe Threat's normal threat lists are not affected by this, just the /tlog functionality.

    I've disabled recount for the time being to test intimidation as you suggested, and will give you some stats after a few test runs.

    Edit: So many typos...

    Edit #2: With Recount disabled it still occured once, so that takes that variable out of the equation.
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    posted a message on Official Threat-1.0 error reporting and discussion thread
    I've been doing some testing with Intimidation and my numbers are all over the park.

    Pet's stats stayed the same the entire time.

    Method Used: Cast Intimidation, send pet in with an auto attack, after pet hits once have pet stay.
    Cast Distracting shots(rank 7 and 1)/mend pet(rank 1) until I pull agro.

    Store my threat from before and after agro.

    Math: Divide both numbers by 1.3 (im at range) and then subtract the threat added by the auto attack. The numbers left should be the range intimidate could be in.

    Does anyone see any flaws with this?



    How about some numbers!(* denotes a completely new range)

    Pet Damage:Threat Before PullThreat After PullIntimidation Range
    82880990594-679
    84967980659-669
    *85144715571028-1112
    *9114171430999-1009
    *9513051415908-985


    So from the results above we have a range for Intimidation of....
    659-669,908-985,999-1009,1028-1112


    I didnt change any buffs/debuffs for any of these tests.
    For the first test I used Rank 1 Distracting Shot every time. For the others I opened with Rank 7 and then used Rank 1/Mend Pet Rank 1.


    I'm going to be doing more testing on it later today to see if i can figure out whats going on.
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